tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4790396293521449566.post4827751419235601829..comments2023-10-02T11:36:45.006-04:00Comments on A Passionate and Determined Quest for Adequacy: VoiceAshley Whttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04767912859236943934noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4790396293521449566.post-37408314937854700532009-12-25T10:56:35.158-05:002009-12-25T10:56:35.158-05:00Dear Ashley,thank you for your kind response. Sinc...Dear Ashley,thank you for your kind response. Since I do not know you or the circumstances,I did not mean to judge,though it may have come across that way. I know from experience in my own life and journrey,seeking for Truth,that bitterness is like a festering cancer of the Soul,which destroys my peace and joy.My "disturbance" by your reaction was not because of you as a person,but in knowing what not remaining in the Mind that was,and is,in Christ Jesus can do to our innermost Being.By not responding in anger to my email,proves to me that you do have THAT Mind and will prevail.<br />I also wish you blessings on your journey to the fullness of Christ,Who alone can speak to our (every) condition.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00414047927240033158noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4790396293521449566.post-90212072778968387912009-12-24T16:05:51.928-05:002009-12-24T16:05:51.928-05:00Jay - Thank you for listening. I pray that we can...Jay - Thank you for listening. I pray that we can all be faithful in listening to God together and sharing what God places on our hearts, whether that is to listen more or to speak more.<br /><br />Rita - Thank you for adding your perspective on our guest teacher. I am glad that the experience brought up such wonderful memories of your father and I look forward to seeing you at the next residency.<br /><br />Richard - Thank you for your comment. I am sorry to hear that my post was frightening and disturbing for you. I want to assure you that my post in no way reflect the opinions of the Religious Society of Friends. My blog reflects my own experiences, good and bad, as I attempt to live my life to the fullest. Blessings on your journey.Ashley Whttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04767912859236943934noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4790396293521449566.post-56040765054451399382009-12-24T14:36:48.493-05:002009-12-24T14:36:48.493-05:00Dear Ashley,I am not sure what your exact experien...Dear Ashley,I am not sure what your exact experience was,but your anger seems a lot deeper than because of it,or any other particular circnmstance.It is rather frightening and disturbing to me. I am new to the Quaker faith and did not expect to find this type of deep seated animosity between men and women. <br />I do hope you can come to terms with this Soul destroying bitterness.<br />Richard,a male who believes both men and women are made in the Image of God.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00414047927240033158noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4790396293521449566.post-91759500155440759082009-12-24T12:16:46.488-05:002009-12-24T12:16:46.488-05:00Ashley - for me, the experience of listening to ou...Ashley - for me, the experience of listening to our guest teacher brought up issues of gender - but also layered with clericalism - since he is an ordained priest in a tradition that does not ordain women. <br /><br />These were the overlapping issues for me twenty years ago when I left Roman Catholic christianity (with a great deal of anger and grief)for Quaker universalism. I am only now returning to a Christ-centered spirituality. <br /><br />As I reflected on my experience in the SoTS residency, I felt gratitude for my own father - a man of few words and deep faith, who taught me through his own quiet faithfulness.Reetzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11296969160120594851noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4790396293521449566.post-66930711926570307732009-12-23T16:52:32.272-05:002009-12-23T16:52:32.272-05:00Ashley
Thanks very much for your faithfulness in ...Ashley<br /><br />Thanks very much for your faithfulness in sharing this gift with us. <br /><br />I hope your comments will help me assume and proclaim less, interrupt less. I pray that I can respect others, tremble and hesitate more.Jay T.http://jtblog.lindajohansen.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4790396293521449566.post-65050058245422266572009-12-22T13:23:51.884-05:002009-12-22T13:23:51.884-05:00Martin - I think you might be right about God work...Martin - I think you might be right about God working through others' bad behavior. I only hope that when I behave badly, God is working through me too! And although I didn't feel like it at the time, I know this experience was a gift.<br /><br />Haven - Thanks for sharing your story. I am glad that you had the strength to stay. Thank you for naming the gift of ministry, both in yourself and in me.<br /><br />Diane - Thanks for the comment, I am glad my message spoke to you.<br /><br />Jeanne - Thank you for expanding on the testimonies. Sometimes it is easy to forget that they come out of turning toward God, not something to try to achieve on our own.Ashley Whttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04767912859236943934noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4790396293521449566.post-36395687158353693562009-12-22T13:00:48.551-05:002009-12-22T13:00:48.551-05:00Ashley, I am not grateful for your honesty but you...Ashley, I am not grateful for your honesty but your faithfulness. <br /><br />You've found one of the reasons Quakers do not believe in creeds--the testimonies aren't things we should believe but instead should be evidence of our changed hearts. This Friend you speak of, his heart has not fully changed about equality. It's hard for those with power to recognize the power they...I was going to write "have" but I think it's more like "assume" or "take" or "presume."<br /><br />Thank you for being faithful, and thank you for telling us about it.Jeannehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00905850036743973387noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4790396293521449566.post-84817222735897183152009-12-21T22:12:13.550-05:002009-12-21T22:12:13.550-05:00Dear Ashley,
I hear what you are saying and am gl...Dear Ashley,<br /><br />I hear what you are saying and am glad you are honest enough to say it. You speak my mind on this subject.Dianehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12396312339372162866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4790396293521449566.post-18436743676017284752009-12-21T19:08:03.293-05:002009-12-21T19:08:03.293-05:00Thank you so much for this message, Ashley. I hav...Thank you so much for this message, Ashley. I have struggled with the same issue for many, many years, and at one point, I almost left my belief in God behind over it.<br /><br />What brought me back was a voice that did not sound like a man or anything human, that kept quietly saying to me, "You are a minister." It was a voice of peace and power all at once. It was a voice I knew I had to listen to because it came from so deep within me. It overrode all of the societal stereotypes, and it kept calling me to something much deeper.<br /><br />Our testimony of equality comes from seeing that there is no person who does not possess the Light of God (or whatever words you put on that) within them. You are so right, that we often want to just forget that the standards of our society allow freedoms to some people that are just as much ours, and give them (not just men, but people who are white, people of higher social stature, people from developed nations) an ease to their words and their actions that some of us must consider much more seriously.<br /><br />My own belief is that God doesn't go around handing out bad things or lessons so we can learn from them, but God does provide each us with that inner voice or insight or light, so that we can take even the worst occurrence and make some sort of good out of it, if we choose to. <br /><br />I hear that in your transformation of your experience from anger and hurt into ministry. You are a minister.<br />Thank you.Linda J Wilkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04307531394723506106noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4790396293521449566.post-4005274889336476322009-12-21T17:49:27.437-05:002009-12-21T17:49:27.437-05:00Us male types do have a tendency toward condescens...Us male types do have a tendency toward condescension and bluster, qualities I know myself quite capable of. Sorry to hear you had a bad experience. I think it's an central part of George Fox's story that he was serially disappointed by the spiritual teachers he visited. This was a grief that kept him searching till he recognized that there was that one who could speak to his condition--something he had to feel experientially and not just intellectually. I myself have been disappointed by various Friends but it's ultimately a good process, a humbling one that reminds me of my own limits. I have a working hypothesis that God often works through us by means of other people's bad behavior.Martin Kelleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06999620933648327663noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4790396293521449566.post-23704202891808668302009-12-20T22:21:30.236-05:002009-12-20T22:21:30.236-05:00Thanks, Rantwoman and Merlin! It is great to hear...Thanks, Rantwoman and Merlin! It is great to hear from both of you. <br /><br />Rantwoman - one of the things that helped me give the message was knowing Friends there were holding me in prayer while I was speaking. I always find prayer helpful. <br /><br />Merlin - I am grateful that you are faithful when the Spirit nudges you to speak in meeting (and that I get to be there to hear you!). I appreciate your example, understanding, and support.Ashley Whttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04767912859236943934noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4790396293521449566.post-17265996455776927302009-12-20T20:34:34.294-05:002009-12-20T20:34:34.294-05:00Ashley, you are such a powerful spirit in our Meet...Ashley, you are such a powerful spirit in our Meeting (and I would assume, in all the places where Spirit leads you) - Thank you for listening to this message and allowing it to manifest through you.<br />I would imagine that the men present would be surprised by your message, because they have recognized you as a Vessel of the Spirit since you first appeared - so they will listen, and not dismiss your words with easy excuses. <br />Still, it is painful to be in that trembling space with a message you do not want to give. <br />Love, MerlinMerlinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4790396293521449566.post-49587359435347845682009-12-20T18:58:28.614-05:002009-12-20T18:58:28.614-05:00Preach it sister!
Is there anything that would he...Preach it sister!<br /><br />Is there anything that would help you feel stronger in voice when such messages must be given?<br /><br />You are dead-on about the testimony on equality not letting people, men and women both off the hook about real dialogue and different dynamics.RantWomanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17611656459134372290noreply@blogger.com